clearly america has large and ever-growing deficits. you propose a tax cut. that's deficit spending. >> wait a minute. first of all, this is a two-step deal. everybody knows we need the big deal and we talk about that in 30 seconds. but we're not going to get to the big deal by jumping off the bridge. and what we are saying is it is not the right thing to do you have the largest tax increase in history of america and to have $1.2 trillion worth of spending cuts that don't even look at medicare and medicaid. across the board without thinking through what this big deal is going to be. and anybody from either party hould come to a realization that the big deal counts. all we need to do is get a small part of an extension, six months, what ever does, and we'll get there. remember, when you talk about these taxes and the suspended, it can't be done by 10 people in the back of the room. and has to be a normal order on the hill because they are the only people that understands what are in those bills. >> do any of you really think we'll jump off a fiscal cliff? or d